Monday, June 4, 2007

MAN-EYE

Sometimes the worst place to be during a Red Sox/Yankees series is at home in New York City. That is, if you are a Met fan in NYC. For all of our inferiority complexes and little brother syndromes, there is not much more that can make us feel completely insignificant than when the Yankees and Red Sox do battle. Every bar is filled big screens showing Jeter and Papi, while Beltran gets what feels like an 18" screen at the corner of the bar. As a result of this, and the fact that if I am with my friends I am forced to abandon my Mets for the enjoyment of the group, I get to watch a lot of these Yankee/Red Sox battles. While there are tons of different things to love about this rivalry, and just as many memorable moments, there is one constant that fixates me to the screen at least four times a game. Watching Manny Ramirez hit.



He is, in my mind, the greatest right handed hitter that I have ever seen. Since his first full season in 1995, Manny has hit over .300 every year except for twice. He has hit over .340 twice and has six career 40 homer seasons. Manny has driven in 100 runs or more in every season since 1995 except for one and has a career on base of .410. Numbers are great, but they do not tell the entire story. To me, the epitome of a good hitter is someone who will consistently fight off good pitches and hammer bad ones. To me, has done this better than anyone in the American League over the past 10-12 years, and still has a few more year left in him. As a pure hitter, there is no one I would rather watch up at the plate.



Now, when I judge a hitter there there is an order to how what means most to me. Number one is batting average. Number two is power. Three is the ability to not strikeout and last is the skill of seeing pitches or taking walks. When I look at all the players that I have had a chance to watch over the past 15 years or so, there are a few that jump out at me.



1. Tony Gwynn: I know he did not have the power of others, but he hit so many line drives. He never struck out and would not swing at balls. The only thing missing from him and Ted Williams as a hitter is the power (which is a very big difference).



2. Manny Ramirez: read above



3. Vladamir Guerrero: This guy can hit anything. Unreal plate coverage, and crazy power. He is a modern day DiMaggio in that he is a free swinger, but does not strike out much. Does not walk a ton, but he has improved this aspect as he has had to in that bare Angel line-up.



4. Albert Pujols: He may end up on top of this list, but I am not ready to put him there yet. His strikeout rate is one of the best ever for a man with his power. Every aspect of hitting, he is one of the best.



5. Ichiro: Basically can do whatever he wants with the bat. Not great power, but you get the feeling that if he wanted to he could hit .300 instead of .330 and his 20 HRs instead of 10. A flat-out hit machine.



Honorable Mentions:



Derek Jeter: Has gotten better with age; similar to Ichiro in the hits he racks up

Mike Piazza: If he retired three years ago he would had had a career .320 AVG. That is rare-air and ridiculous for a catcher

Nomar Garciaparra: There was a time when I felt he had the best shot in baseball to come close to DiMaggio's 56 game streak. Lights out hitter in his prime.

Alex Rodriguez: Insane power and has a career AVG over .300

Ken Griffey Jr.: Great power and the prettiest swing most of us have ever seen.

Gary Sheffield: Quickest bat over the past 15 years. People forget that he once won a batting title.



*Barry Bonds: Rank him will you may. I have a problem assessing him and his place int he game. One thing is for sure though, and before any steroid suspicions, he had great power and the best eye in the game.



I can be forgetful, so if you think I am missing someone, don't be shy.



STKAFI

8 comments:

JWS said...

woah, woah, woah... Ice Cold you getting paid by the NY Post?

A-rod on your honorable mention list?!?!?

We'll start him since 1996:
7 .300 seasons including a .358
7 seasons with 40+ homers
11 seasons with 100+ rbis
Career OBP .386

Not to mention his MVP's... these are in Manny's ballpark and probably better.

Does he consistently fight off bad pitches and hammer bad ones? Who knows where you want to grade him on these, but I'm sure he has hammered plenty of bad ones.

After looking even closer at the two, the numbers are strikingly similar in strikeouts, hits, batting average... each has their advantages though.

IceCold said...

Seasons Avg over .320

AROD: 2
Manny: 4

Seasons over 130Ks

AROD: 4
Manny: 2

Seasons Avg under .300

AROD: 4
Manny: 2

Not to mention, Pujols and Vlad have also put up 5-6 seasons each with batting averages over .320. AROD may be the better player, but statitically Manny is the better hitter. His power numbers are at the same level as ARODs as are his walk numbers. His strikeouts are less and his batting average is higher. Eight points (manny .313 AROD .305 lifetime) over a 12 year span is considerable. Its not like one year where that can be made up in a two week span. I would take a few years for AROD to close that gap.

AROD does a lot of great things at the plate and all around the field, but as strictly a hitter I would put Manny above him, as well as guys like Vlad and Pujols.

Oh, and Mannys career on base is .410....considerably higher than AROD's.

JWS said...

Seasons over 45 homeruns:
Arod 4
Manny 0

Career Strikeouts:
Arod 1451
Manny 1490

Seasons above 185 hits:
Arod 5 (3 over 200)
Manny 0

We can all breakdown numbers to make our argument look good

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IceCold said...

Over their careers Manny has an 8 point edge in AVG. He has a 21 point edge in slugging. He has a 24 point edge in OBP. In case you can do the math that means a 45 pint edge in OPS.

AROD may have hit over 45 homeruns four times to Mannys none, but they still are within 10 homeruns of one another careerwise in almost the same amount of games played.

Their career totals are about a wash. AROD has a slight edge in homers, Manny in RBIS and they are dead even (within 2) in hits. The career percentages though are unanimously in Mannys' favor and the differences are considerable.

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